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Post by dlordoftime on Feb 12, 2012 16:48:05 GMT -5
Only 24? My list is ah, ai, e, i, ee, oh, oe, u, oo, c, d, f, g, h, j (the zh sound), l, m, n, p, r, s, š, t, v, w, x, and y. Okay, that's 27. 28 if you include the apostrophe. I got more because I noticed a difference between the i in nosis and the i in ami, between the o in comensanin and the o in locusani, and between the u in locusani and the ou/u in soule/sul.
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Post by laroon on Feb 12, 2012 17:17:34 GMT -5
I trust your "c" is the hard C as in Car and not "city" (s). I have a personal beef with the consonant "c" anyway. In English anyway. It can really be substituted for S or K. The only reason I can't abolish it personally is for the Ch thing. But o well.
What is your differentiation in your vowels? Like ee vs e and oh vs oo. I know the whole IPA thing and all, but you really thing they'd go so far as to have what... 9 different vowel sounds?
Also as for diphthongs, we can just merge the two vowels. Even for the Ai, we can just keep it as a+i and have the two sounds (I actually have a font idea for doing just that in modifying the one that Mystie made up). Same with oe and my ao.
I am believing your š is the Sh, yeah yeah?
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Post by dlordoftime on Feb 12, 2012 17:35:52 GMT -5
My c is what you have as k, my š is what you have as sh, and I hear a difference in the vowels. However, only one letter is needed for i, as it is short when followed by a consonant, with the exception of r and l, and maybe w and y. I'm not sure. The ai at the end of naray is the only instance of it in a root word, but I don't know if it is a diphthong or not. As for oh, oe, uh and uu, they require different characters because there is no way of compressing them. But, hey-ho, other languages do it too. Oh, and similarly to i, e requires only a single character too, as it would be pronounced ay where i would be pronounced ee. And I suppose that we could do them as diphthongs, but then you'd have to decide how to make them, and whether there are any hither-to unknown combinations. Looking at Latin, there are 5 vowels excluding y, which only appears in loan words, but each of the five has a long form, and then there are 6 diphthongs. That's 16 in total! I think it would be safer just to go for 5 vowel, three accented forms, and an apostrophe.
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Post by laroon on Feb 12, 2012 18:40:53 GMT -5
Ai by definition is a diphthong. Ah + ee. You may say it as one sound, but it's still two vowels smooshed together. As for accents and all, that's kinda cool (though I don't care for them) but it might work. Another way to go about it is inflection. So far I've stressed a lot of the words on the penultimate (second to last) syllable. This is a nice convention and kind of keeps the language rhythmically flowing. Perhaps if the vowel is on this special syllable of a word, it's the long/stressed form. If it's not, it's normal.
Or have other rules entirely where if it's before a consonant (like you were saying) and that consonant is NOT R or L, then it's a short i. That'd be kinda cool.
I'm interested in seeing a concept design. Are you doing something similar to the one Mystie did or entirely different?
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Post by dlordoftime on Feb 12, 2012 18:56:53 GMT -5
I know that ai is a diphthong; what I meant is that I did not know if it would be written that way.
I know what penultimate means. I am studying Latin.
One problem with that idea is the word eró. That has the accent on the final syllable. However, that just means we add in another rule. If the word has only two syllables, accent the ultima. Unfortunately, nósis violates this new rule, as the accent is now on the penult. I just don't see a way around it other than placing accents as I do when writing Narayani in English.
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Post by laroon on Feb 12, 2012 19:06:40 GMT -5
It could be that Eró is from another longer version of the word. For lack of better idea here for example, pretend it's Eróin. From here, it could be shortened, and thus this one word is the oddball. Trixy hobbits Also where are you getting the accents from?
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Post by dlordoftime on Feb 12, 2012 19:10:28 GMT -5
Hold down the Alt Gr key whilst typing a vowel to get the acute accent (áéíóú). For other accents, Alt + # combinations are required, but they must be typed into the numberpad. š is Alt + 0154.
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Post by laroon on Feb 12, 2012 19:11:50 GMT -5
Lol no no no. I mean in the text. Why is it Eró and not simply Ero?
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Post by laroon on Feb 13, 2012 7:30:23 GMT -5
So I made a script. Lol. It's a start. It's based on Mystie's, but a little different. This is the entire theme of Exile transcribed phonetically. I added a new symbol that is then appended with a hash and what not, and switched some letters around. It is totally typeable with a normal keyboard without having to use anything but the letters and the ' key. The things I don't like about this script are: 1. It doesn't have numbers nor punctuation (yet. be patient). 2. The letters all have the long horizontal line. Basically there are 2 ways to write the letter - with the beam, and without. These are all the beamed ways, because I don't know how to get it to dynamically observe the difference yet. Again, it's a start. 3. I don't like how the lines aren't fluidly connected, but diminish after each letter. That all being said, I still am proud of it and it's nice to have something that is functional. I'll do some more work on it to make it better. Stay tuned!
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Post by dlordoftime on Feb 13, 2012 17:09:47 GMT -5
We do have numbers. The little tree symbols in the corners of the pages of Saavedro's journal.
And I write it eró and not ero so that, until I perfect my rules for pronunciation, I know how it is pronounced. The accent merely tells me where to mutate the vowel.
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Post by laroon on Feb 13, 2012 17:21:42 GMT -5
Haha dlordoftime- I know we have numbers. I was saying that my script didn't have numbers implemented yet. But that was next to do *also made the letters closer together* There are numbers 1 - 60. I'm thinking 100 would be 10 10. So you could do like... 746 like this: 5-2 10-10 4 10 5-1 Also, why do you insist on having the accent on the O instead of the E?
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Post by dlordoftime on Feb 13, 2012 18:44:02 GMT -5
Looks good. When I next can, I will play Exile to get the journal pages to check to see if it all works out. Just in case.
For me, I don't use accents as stress markers, rather, I use them as indicators that a vowel has an altered sound.
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Post by laroon on Feb 13, 2012 23:09:08 GMT -5
Don't stress yourself about the game. Just use this link. home.comcast.net/~dni-books/EXILEJournals/JournalSaavedro.htmIt'll save you time. I'm asking why you came to the conclusion that it's pronounced "eró". You said that you find Narayan to be the penultimate syllable. Yet then when it's on 2 syllable words, eró provides a contrast to the rule. My question is how do you know it's eró and not e´ro. As in, why are you making it break your rule when I don't see any proof that it has the accent on the last syllable?
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Post by laroon on Feb 14, 2012 4:41:02 GMT -5
Little update on writing. I took the boy soprano's part and copied it with my new and improved script. (Forgive the spacing vs lines.) Take a look. It has the unnecessary tails removed. The language now is more joined and flows better without looking too patchy. That's all I'll do on this for now. I'll get back to writing lessons.
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Post by dlordoftime on Feb 14, 2012 22:33:33 GMT -5
Very nice. I'll copy that to paper and see if I can do anything with it to make it even better!
Again, the accent does not say 'stress the o', rather, 'pronounce the o as oe, not oh'. I have a much larger set of accents that I use for transcribing things, such as my languages, where a total of 15 sounds are employed. These include acute accents, á, grave accents, à, and umlauts, ä, for all five vowels. If I were to use this set, ero would be written as èrö, meaning 'short e, o-u diphthong'. Happy?
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